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Post by Elorie on Nov 30, 2016 17:38:54 GMT
Soooooooooo.
So.
I'm not sure what to do with this, and I want to hear your opinions before I make any major decisions anyway since you're here too.
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Post by thorinschmidt on Nov 30, 2016 18:36:57 GMT
the 5th edition OGL stuff really streamlines things. also, they have a standard character sheet. for our needs, we could then just tweak the existing races/classes and Feats to accomodate GG.
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Post by Sturzkampf on Dec 5, 2016 20:57:41 GMT
Been away for a bit (ironically preparing, running and cleaning up after a D&D session, so I'm trying to get back up to speed. If we are using a D&D model, its a bit difficult to have do 'races'. Every clank construct and spark is so different, its difficult to define what a race would be. Smoke Knights and Jaegers would work OK though, but a Smoke Knight is a human class and a Jaeger is a race that can only be one class, so my head is starting to hurt. Another problem, as illustrated in the latest page, is the power of the weapons. When people have death rays, not to mention guns, how do you keep the characters alive?
So, I like the D&D to hit / damage, and the six attributes defining the character, but I'm not sure about the race / class distinction. Anyone ever hear of Ars Magica? In that, the main and most powerful characters are wizards (=sparks), they have companions with special abilities (=smoke knights, entertainers, minions etc) and fighters (=Jaegers, normal humans etc). Nice thing about the character generation system was there were lists of advantages and disadvantages, with positive and negative rankings, the number getting larger depending on how big the advantage or disadvantage was. You could have as many as you want, up to +10 / -10, so long as they all added up tp zero. Could be a good way of running a Spark. Twenty years since I played it and I never did sus out how the magic system worked though...
So, the proposal is that each party is based around a Spark (only one) with support characters based on type with attributes picked from a list, rather than race and class.
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Post by Elorie on Dec 5, 2016 21:45:02 GMT
hm.... that could work....
but would we have different people playing different members of the party, or one person for all of them? I know that some people are going to want to focus more on a character that isn't a spark than one that is
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Post by vrooman on Dec 5, 2016 23:01:03 GMT
as a newbie I'm going to throw my wet blanket/sponge in here [there is no imagery involved] - with the obvious observation, "If your own particular Player Character is not a 'Special Spark' then who will want to play the 'spare parts/constructs'?"
Personally I'm always happy playing the minor side-kick in every scenario [yes I'm lying]
[though having played a version of Ars Magica at school - actually it was just our English & History Teacher having us recreate a Shakespeare Globe scene [I'm sure I could sue if I went through expensive therapy] - I can see the fun involved in creating 'another world' - the problem remains, however you split up the characters, with the players who simply want to dominate...]
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Post by Elorie on Dec 5, 2016 23:07:17 GMT
yeah, I'm going to need to expand the rules a bit. Powergaming and Godmodding are already prohibited, I believe, though...
actually having them have to submit an application and provide a roleplaying example might mitigate that somewhat.... still think I might need some more rules against trying to take control of the RP
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Post by Elorie on Dec 5, 2016 23:09:13 GMT
however, if everyone is a "special spark" sparks are no longer special, and it becomes less fun. Hm.... maybe we should have some sort of requirement you have to meet before you're allowed to create a spark...
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Post by vrooman on Dec 5, 2016 23:15:54 GMT
...now you're getting somewhere - like a D&D paladin has to follow/fulfill certain constraints..? But still the powergamers will seek to bend the rules, unless there is a real incentive to play the other 'characters' - personally, Krosp was always my favourite...
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Post by Elorie on Dec 5, 2016 23:23:09 GMT
I need it to all be balanced somehow.... Sparks won't be able to get by by themselves. They are going to NEED minions and warriors to serve and protect them, and be their companions. And such people would be powerful in their own right, and command respect similar to that their Spark commands. Of course, there will be lone wolves of every kind, but they won't be able to get nearly as much done... unless they're really, REALLY good at roleplaying and making their character a vital part of the world.
But as for the requirements... I'm not sure what they should be :/
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Post by vrooman on Dec 5, 2016 23:43:29 GMT
Perhaps the best way to start would be with an equivalent / rival to Master Payne's Circus of Adventure, e.g. Mistress Pleasure's Cirque du Star - this would allow all sorts/types of GG characters to be 'created/constructed' and if played for a while may allow us to see how to balance the GGverse with it's apparent Spark imbalance.
I suspect that, just as 8th level mages seem super powerful on paper in D&D you would be somewhat timorous playing one without the right friends / serious back-up...
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Post by Elorie on Dec 5, 2016 23:45:51 GMT
aaah, yeah, that could work!
hm.... maybe I could play the one running that group >.>
actually, that probably goes without saying, now that I think about it...
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Post by vrooman on Dec 5, 2016 23:54:04 GMT
so 'good to go' Admin Person [note the non-sexist language - voorman is quite the gentleman] - how will you make your 'call to arms..?
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Post by Elorie on Dec 5, 2016 23:57:23 GMT
Hm.... I could make a sort of "opening day" for our circus/refuge/thing, or I could have Elorie putting out "help wanted" posters for employees, actors, and other assorted people to work there... (this thread got rather off track x3 but that's okay. this is general discussion! the original point was just somewhere for us to start )
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Post by Sturzkampf on Dec 6, 2016 7:51:06 GMT
Hm. Slept on this and maybe rethinking... Sparks have a lot of power - and they are also very vulnerable and they have weaknesses. They need support characters to do things they can't. And to keep them alive. And to stop them blowing themselves up. Not all Sparks will be Agatha Heterodyne. At first level they'll be pretty weak. More on this later...
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Post by Phantom R on Dec 6, 2016 13:45:39 GMT
Locking this poll, you guys can continue talking about it, but voting on this poll is no longer possible.
Also, as new from Elorie, until character sheets are a thing, Elorie's Camp of Wonders is what shall be used to approve people.
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